Andro cycle

[turk182jb]

Just a quick question I'm starting an andro cycle and I wanted to know if I could go longer than 4wks, any tipps would be greatly appreciated..

Also is 6oxy better than chrysin in post cycle?

[Redshirt27SE]

Well what are you planning on taking? And in the proper doses or the "hardcore" doses? Depending on what you are taking I can't recommend a length for your cycle. IMO I would take clomid for your post cycle therapy only because it is cheaper than 6oxo.

[turk182jb]

Adro poppers, I've used them in the past and saw some good gains. I'm taking 2 caps 30min pre-workout. Can take 2 dosses a day or is that to much..

[Redshirt27SE]

I dont know if thats too much or not, what are the recommended doses and how much does each cap contain? I'm not familar with Andro Poppers, but I believe that's made by pinnacle and I've heard they aren't the best company for PHs. Are these 1-ad, 4-ad, or what? Give me some more info and I'll try my best to help you out.

[turk182jb]

They are 4-ad I dont have all the info but rec. dose is 2 caps 30 to 60mins before workout. I'll get the other info as soon as I can.

[turk182jb]

Ok I got that info it approx. 50mg of andro per cap. Here is the breakdown.
84.66mg 4-ad
10mg 4-ad-ec
3.33mg nor-4-ad
2mg a1-e

[timeahs]

K, that's not even 100 mg of 4ad. you can just cancel out the 2mg of a1-e because it's pointless. Honestly, Ergopharm's Androdiol select 300 has 300 mg or 4-androstenediol for about 5 bucks more than the poppers at www.massnutrition.com . But back to your question. I've been taking the androdiol select, norandrodiol select, and 6 oxo for the past 2 weeks. A 4 week cycle of andro is not too much, but take a break at 6 weeks. Also, there's no need to cycle 6 oxo. I mean, you can if you just want to take a break from the andro. However, taking 6 oxo through the 6 weeks and 2 weeks off will give much better results. I've never really felt the effects of andro before. After doing the research on ergopharm's products, and hearing the great results people were getting from the 1ad, I decided to give ergo a chance and found something that really works. The 6 oxo really made a difference for me; I'm growing faster, feeling the andro stack, and getting more sleep than ever. It's all expensive when stacked together with the 1-ad, celltech, whey, efa's, and vits and mins. But, if it helps me get where I want to be as fast as I'm getting there, then I'll only be on the stack for about 2 more cycles anyway. I went from 177 to 193 in the last 25 days. But I've been strict and disciplined in doing it. I figure if I'm going to put that much money into it, I might as well get the most out of it. Go to massnutrition and the 6 oxo is 30 bucks. I don't know about you, but I've spent more that 30 bucks on something bogus before.... damn boron.

[Redshirt27SE]

You should not be taking 6-oxo simultaneously with pro hormones. 6-oxo's purpose is to be taken post cycle to help elevate your test levels back to normal. I would recommend taking transdermal PH's if you are doing to use them, you will get much better results and they are cheaper.

[timeahs]

www.ergopharm.com - go to the 6-oxo product - read the facts and frequently asked questions. I always research what I take before I take it. Mainly, it would only make sense that if 6oxo stops the conversion of testosterone to estrogen and slightly increases testicular production of testosterone, I could think of no better time to take it then when you increase the testosterone levels in your body, which is fruitless unless it's dramatic like test cyp. Doing a little is too easy for the body to attack the excess testosterone and achieve it's goal of maintaning balance. That's the main reason why most ph's are worthless and perscription steroids work so well. Remember that the body is always trying to stay the same. I'm not sure how much a transdermal PH costs, but the andro select and nordiol select are 300 mgs per serving each and cost about 60 dollars for both. Not only that, but my work life is very demanding that I work unexpected and odd hours, sometimes having to pick up and leave. Hell yeah, if it cuts the ph cost in half it's worth the sacrifice. But, I'll pay 10 extra dollars for convenience and the security of my gains made so far. I'm sorry if I'm coming off wrong, because I think I may be. I'm just explaining why a little better.

[Redshirt27SE]

For OTC products, Formasin or Formastat would be good for on cycle to help with estrogen related side effects. 6-oxo will not dramatically increase your test production so it is better to take off cycle, when your natural test levels are low, and need to be raised. Taking it on cycle simply because it raises test production has no real purpose. You could get the same results by upping your doses of PH. Pat Arnold, owner of Ergopharms has even said 6-oxo's best use is to take for post cycle. The part about it helping with estrogen I believe is to help prevent estrogen rebound when you come off.

As for transdermal PH's. You can get a 1-test/4-ad transdermal w/ DMSO for $25. Or if you like high doses you can get one with larger amounts of 1-test and 4-ad for $50. Transdermals will give much better results because you don't lose any while passing through you. The products are T-1 final and T-1 pro by BDC Nutrition. I have only heard good things about them, and I'd say it's a steal comparing to other PH companies prices.

[turk182jb]

Thanks for all the info. Have you ever heard of chrysin it is supposed to keep all remaining test from turning to estrogen while on an andro cycle. Do you guys have any info on this. Thanks again great on the great input.

[Redshirt27SE]

I've heard that chrysin is useless. That you need to take large amounts because too much digests on its way through. I've never taken it, but I hear it's hard on the stomach as well. Their are far better products for helping with estrogen. Formasin, Formastat, as for scripts Nolva and maybe A-dex. But if I remember right you aren't killing your self with the doses so anything else would be overkill IMO.